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I'm reading this after seeing the twitter thread in which you plugged this. I watched Bojack in a binge during the pandemic, all at once except for the last season, which came out a little while after I was done catching up. I binged the last season afterwards, and while I had seen reviewers recommend it, I hadn't even looked on Reddit for reactions to Bojack until I was done with the show.

Disclosure here, I'm probably a dudebro. Don't fit the bill entirely, as my skin is slightly toasty and I fit neater into the nerd stereotype than the jock stereotype. Not to mention that I lean towards the far left, with communist sympathies that were already developing when I watched Bojack.

The point I'm trying to make is that Bojack was the character with whom I most sympathized during that watch-trough. I was in a state of mind where I thought that what I needed was to see a horrible man somehow redeem himself, because I considered myself to be an utterly awful person. I feel really grateful for that small break I had between most of the show and the conclusion, because it was only then that it dawned on me that my personal failings in some aspects of my life did not equate me with someone that would prey on teenagers as a grown-ass man. That I shouldn't have to feel like I deserve the same fate as someone that would lead someone else to their deaths. To someone that would sell out their best friend to help their own career.

Diane, for the entire series, was my second favorite character behind Bojack. In a way, she reminded me awkwardly of how I've always felt watching the Simpsons while growing up: Bart was my favorite character and I occasionally wanted to be more like him, but I always knew that I was a lot more like Lisa and I felt okay with that. Diane was the character I defaulted to relate to whenever neither me nor the show were having an awful time. Personality wise, I was miles closer to her than to the sad horse man. And I was really fucking happy that she was able to have a happy ending.

I hadn't realized what you point out here, that the show starts with Bojack and Diane in the same place, and that their relationship as foils is concluded by one changing because they tried to change and one staying the same because they refused to. Thank you for that. I did notice the same vitriol you saw towards Diane. When I first saw it, I felt deflated. I didn't get at the moment why so many people would feel such strong negative emotions against whom I felt was one of the best characters in the show, and it took me a year to become more familiar with online discourse and see that always happens with female characters.

I have ambitions to be a creative. Maybe that was one thing I could relate too personally with Bojack, besides the misery, because I do have a hunger for fame and recognition. However, since I find it unlikely that an open communist foreigner will ever make it on Hollywood or even in my country's mainstream media, I'll inevitably have to go the independent route. So it's probably a long-shot. But if I do make it big, I hope I can do it while creating characters that will resonate with people like Diane resonated with you and me. And I hope I become important enough to be interviewed one day, because right now I want to be able in five or ten years that your substack article had an important impact in how I decided to write moving forward.

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This has to be amongst the most ridiculous takes I’ve seen. Diane being hated has nothing to do with gender or race or ethnicity or privileges. It’s because she’s a hypocrite. She thinks she’s better than everybody and continues to try to take the moral high ground but in reality she’s just as bad as everyone else if not worse. She’s very difficult to please because her mind is constantly changing but rather than admit this she’ll blame it on her partner or her friend and say they’re not paying enough attention to her needs. She’s most drawn to Bojack because she’s exactly like him. Only difference is Bojack doesn’t deny that he’s a terrible person. He embraces it whereas she continues to deny it throughout the series whilst continuing to make brash self centered choices like leaving her husband to travel to another country with another man because she thought she wasn’t satisfied and coming back to Bojack and crashing at his place for months drinking herself to stupor whilst lying to her husband Mr PC the whole time. She’s not hated because she’s a woman or she’s Vietnamese or she’s annoying. She’s hated because she thinks she’s better whereas she’s not.

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